If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? Liam is the author of Urban Astronomy and is a Senior Scientist for Skeptic. ", A series of articles has appeared in the Griffith Observer, an astronomy magazin As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. On top of that, there is another star, Sirius B, orbiting at an average distance of about 20 AU (1 AU is the distance between the Earth and Sun). Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. Ancient astronauts entrepreneur Erich von Daniken endorses and adopts Temple's explanations in his latest book, Von Daniken's Proof. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to That's one major characteristic of classical pseudo-science, its ability to incorporate any result and its ability to be immune from disproof from any result. theorizes that the myths may refer to a gigantic supernova. Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? It's almost certainly a hoax. Qr*OJhiglNKc}{9GdA Mlt^+nR-Sp-f.y-`Pg##uAQDu&W&HM~IK{%uAM'bRV A\Z.4gAHU*j,H( rPaf@)2j
", British astronomy popularizer fan Ridpath, writing in the quarterly Skeptical Inquirer (Fall 1978), blasted Temple's "brain-numbing excursions into Egyptology." Perhaps so -- it does seem like a trivial point, arguing over how different two meaningless geographical distances really are. They dont have telescopes or other But it seems that Griaule, a scientist, wanted to attribute to earlier civilisations more knowledge than they actually possessed. By comparison, our own Sun was that old 3.4 billion years ago. Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. (Copyright: R. Ibata (Strasbourg Observatory, ULP) et al., 2MASS, NASA). Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? One problem with this idea is that Sirius B has been a white dwarf for at least tens of thousands of years. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Figure 1. Meanwhile the Dogon myths continue to baffle investigators. It is also possible to conclude that such a star could in no way be responsible for the flurry of sightings from the 1920s, it would be too faint and too close to Sirius A to have ever been seen by visual observers.[17]. Damanhur is 521.0 km from Siwa and 625.9 km from Thebes, a deviation of 20%. The basic thesis is this: the Dogon (who live in the African nation of Mali, near the border with Burkina Faso) allegedly have long possessed arcane astronomical knowledge that should have been impossible for them to discover without modern telescopes. with the bright star Sirius (sigu tolo, "star of Sigui"), called Griaule and Dieterlen's claims, to fit his fantastic story. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. Another claim: that in Egypt the oasis of Siwa and the ancient Nile City of Thebes are both equidistant from the shrine city of Behdet, in the delta -- and the same exact distance, too. [3] These beings, who are hypothesized to have taught the arts of civilization to humans, are claimed in the book to have originated the systems of the Pharaohs of Egypt, the mythology of Greek civilization, and the Epic of Gilgamesh, among other things. October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. The Dogon. star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? But the extraterrestrial hypothesis will not fade away so easily. traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Van Beek actually spoke to some of Griaules original informants; he noted that though they do speak about sigu tolo [interpreted by Griaule as their name for Sirius itself], they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some, it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. For example, he claims that the Dogon have a drawing like the one in Figure 1. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. To Temple, this proved that "geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? Figure 2. Temples Hmm, The Cardiff Giant, one of the most celebrated hoaxes in American history, on display at the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, NY. And this is what Mr. Oberg has done." WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Carl. Even in the most optimistic reading of this tale, the Dogon know no more than we knew about the Solar System and nearby stars in the 1930s, which is about the time that Griaule and Deiterlen first interacted with them. things. Sagan further commented that he was surprised, given the freedom of viewpoint that Fish used, that her map didnt match the Hill map better!4. ", Investigating by Philip Coppens. At least three are farther and at least one of them has rings too. Concluded Ridpath: "The parts of the Dogon knowledge that are admittedly both ancient and profound, particularly the story of Nommo and the concept of twinning, are the parts that bear least relation to the true facts about Sirius. sources for Temple's story. sigui, held by the Dogon every sixty years. of earth and transmitted in conversation. Using similar techniques other writers have "discovered" dozens of different, often contradictory "ancient secrets" about Atlantis, primitive Christianity, forgotten wisdom, ancient visitors and numerous other things. Mysteries (Ballantine Books, 1999). It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. In this weeks eSkeptic, Liam McDaid examines these claims. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. astronomical information. Of those websites, over 400 had been updated within the last three months. found no evidence they knew Sirius was a double star or that Sirius B is This is only a stellar stone's throw by galactic standards and Sirius is only twice as far away from our solar system as are the nearest [12] According to Oberg, the Dogons' astronomical information resembled the knowledge and speculations of late 1920s Europe, suggesting that the Dogon were influenced by European visitors before their mythology was recorded in the 1930s. by Liam McDaid. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . A review of the astronomical, cultural, and anthropological sides of this issue might be timely. van Beek, Walter E. A. Sagan, Carl. [15] An apparent "third star" observed in the 1920s is now confirmed as a background object,[16] something previously suggested by Holberg in 2007: Benest and Duvent found that stable orbits with a period of up to six years exist around Sirius A. When Walter van Beek studied the Dogon, he If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved One unproven aspect of the reported Dogon knowledge of the Sirius system is the assertion that the Dogon knew of another star in the Sirius system, Emme Ya, or "larger than Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." | 3938 State St., Suite # 101, Santa Barbara, CA, 93105-3114 | 1-805-576-9396. Am I getting too picky here? The Dogon myths may or may not be related to these other putties (or even to Kepler's supernova, which has been seriously suggested.) to other visible stars near Sirius as recognition of the invisible The oldest traces of life on Earth go back to about that time. (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. The position of the According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. they were not told by beings from the star Sirius.". var d=new Date();var n=d.toLocaleDateString();var t=d.toLocaleTimeString(); document.write(n + " " + t); Want to know your future? Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. 139-167. Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. the Sirius "Mystery". Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. "wished to affirm the complexity of African religions and questioned Below: The Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy (discovered in 2003) is the nearest known galaxy to the centre of the Milky Way. James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had In 1998, Temple republished the book with the subtitle new scientific evidence of alien contact 5,000 years ago. The books reputation was first dented in 1999, when Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince published The Stargate Conspiracy, in which they allege that Temples thinking had been heavily influenced by his mentor, Arthur M. Young. seem curious. Mali was a former French colony (part of the Sudan), so some Dogon may have gone to French schools in the 1920s.7 Or Jesuit missionaries or merchants may have imparted the information to them.8, There may be an even simpler explanation. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirius_Mystery. You guessed it -- Sirius! The Dogon and Sirius. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. "It does not!" The greatest source of error, however, seems to be in Temple's specified location of Behdet. They know about the existence of the star Sirius B, a companion star to the brightest star in our sky, Sirius A. Griaule and Dieterlen first described their findings in an article published in French in 1950, but they included no comment about how extraordinary the Dogon knowledge of the invisible companions was. thousands of similar objects along with even heavier and denser objects such as neutron stars and black holes. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. 2Q9-mV5F W4g?`Su#q6a]sdaGr*_70 ! ;`~RS)Hm@FGI.m3gcW|PF.(`VypT!]WM6'b//^FX[P\9:H37)DH,y|F(&Da]w o9-K?MR+z.R}7.ubqUIXVy~frF@". Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. The Dogon and Sirius. He made no secret of the fact that his intention was to redeem The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) Modern astronomers have discovered the remains of the supernova Vela-X in a constellation which would have been visible in the low southern sky from Sumer. In 1977 two radio astronomers were interested enough in the Sirius mystery to direct their telescopes at the star system in hopes of picking up any artificial radio signals. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Some astronomers speculate that the white dwarf Sirius B might have been a flaming red giant only 2000 years ago although current astrophysical theories decree that any such transformation in less than 100,000 years is impossible. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. Europeans too believed that the "white dwarf' Sirius-B star was the heaviest thing in the universe, although in later years astronomers were to find The book's advertising blurb quotes prolific science writer Isaac Asimov, who says, "I couldn't find any mistakes in this book. But that doesn't stop Temple. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. And if all this were not enough for the Sirians, recent studies have suggested the possibility of a third star (Sirius C) orbiting Sirius B, although it would be a very low mass star which so far has escaped detection.5 Stable planetary orbits may be very hard to find in the Sirian system. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. In a recent book, The Once and Future Star (Hawthorn Books, 1977), George Michanowsky identifies "Oannes" as a Hellenized version of the Sumerian name Ea; he This is strange, because one would think that it would be a major discovery in anthropology. He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion, I'11 just have to be even more careful hereafter.". Since Oberg cannot do so, we need not concern ourselves with criticisms of The Sirius Mystery." But if the error is real, it reflects on the only kind of hard, checkable, testable evidence Temple has offered for his theories. of their culture, came from Sirius -- which is at the crux of Temple's reconstruction? Nothing fuels religious extremism more than the belief that one has found the absolute moral truth. Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? Sounds like you're grasping at straws. The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white. "We have in the Dogon information a predictive mechanism which it is our duty to test, regardless of our preconceptions." The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. The two anthropologists who first studied the Dogon (Griaule and Deiterlen) conducted their research in the 1930s. September 1976 saw One of Temple's main interesting that the Greek Sirius is Seirios.". Laird Scranton makes it clear that he ruled out this possibility in this interview. Astronomers Carl Sagan and Ian Ridpath, for example, have suggested that the modern astronomical aspects of the complex Dogon mythology entered the lore only recently, probably shortly before the myths were written down in the 1930s. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. He allegedly found the distances "to be nearly equal to one another" -- although no quantitative definition of "nearly equal" was ever offered. To recapitulate: Griaule claimed to have been initiated into the secret mysteries of the male Dogon, during which they allegedly told him of Sirius (sigu tolo in their language) and its two invisible companions. good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so Nevertheless the Sumerian Oannes myths, first described by Sagan and Shklovskiy in Intelligent Life in the Universe in 1966, are as intriguing as ever. With this, the Dogon mystery comes crashing down. The X symbol inside the oval is Sirius A, The oval itself is labeled Umlaufbahn von Sirius B, or Orbit of Sirius B. Pretty convincing. his informants in such a forceful leading manner that they created new First, in general, Temple displays his own gross ignorance of geometry and spherical trigonometry. ), many debunked issues keep rising from the dead like vampires springing from their tombs. They have a traditional belief in a heliocentric system and And finally, even if Sirius B had been a visible red giant a few thousand years ago, how would the Dogon know that Sirius B was still there after it became a white dwarf? 68-70. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). ch. different civilizations thousands of miles or thousands of years apart and to other equally questionable tactics. These same myths, Temple claims, identify a planet circling that star as the home of Nommo, an alien creature who founded the Dogon civilization. Several possibilities exist. Carl Sagan's contribution to this discussion was in his book Broca's Brain (1979). The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes Lets start with the first idea, proffered by Robert Temple.1 Temples basic premise is that the Nommos visited the Dogon at some point in the past and gave them information that, in one form or another, the Dogon have passed down through oral tradition. technological societies located on planet earth. 1995. Knowledge of the stars is not important WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. [8][9], In 1978, astronomer Ian Ridpath observes, in an article in the Skeptical Inquirer, "The whole Dogon legend of Sirius and its companions are riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally. One example: "If a Sirius-C is ever discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the Dogon information has been fully validated." To quote Ancient Mysteries: While Temple, following Griaule, assumes that to polo is the invisible star Sirius B, the Dogon themselves, as reported by Griaule, say something quite different. To quote the Dogon: When Digitaria (to polo) is close to Sirius, the latter becomes brighter; when it is at its most distant from Sirius, Digitaria gives off a twinkling effect, suggesting several stars to the observer. This description of a very visible effect causes James and Thorpe to wonder as anyone reading this should do whether to polo is therefore an ordinary star near Sirius, not an invisible companion, as Griaule and Temple suggest. by Liam McDaid. The book presents the hypothesis that the Dogon people of Mali, in West Africa, preserve a tradition of contact with intelligent extraterrestrial beings from the Sirius star system. terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. Dwarfs and Little Green Men". It seems that Temples ideas are still popular among practitioners of pseudoarcheology, as well as with the general public. Predictions are often reinterpreted to fit any outcome, which makes them scientifically worthless but which can be claimed to verify the pseudo- scientific claims. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Although he was an anthropologist, Griaule was keenly interested in astronomy and had studied it in Paris. ancient Egypt.*. Such words would have more persuasion behind them (to me they're merely an emotional appeal to sympathy) if Temple had ever admitted anywhere in print that he had found (or had been shown) any errors in his book or articles or public statements -- but if he has done so, I haven't become aware of them. Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? Skeptic Jason Colavito counts The Sirius Mystery among the body of works in a tradition of ancient astronaut ideas he believes were ultimately inspired by H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.[13][14]. In the 1930s, when their research was carried out, Sirius B was known to have existed, even though it was only photographed in 1970. According to Sagan, western Africa has had many visitors from All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule. Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaules claims. So where does this leave the mysteries of Sirius? civilization. (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). The Dogon also hold a big sigui ceremony every 60 years, which some interpret as representing the period of time it takes Sirius B to go around Sirius A. The immunity of pseudoscientists to criticism is well known to skeptics, yet I was curious. Our mysteries may be different but our questions are the same and we are no wiser. Seeking Clarity? Moon is traveling through Cancer today. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in We may never be able to reconstruct the exact route by which the Dogon received their current knowledge, but out of the confusion at least one thing is clear: Except that this isnt the original Dogon drawing. complete diagram that the Dogon showed to the French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen, who were the original So much for the Nommos. in elliptical orbits of astronomical phenomena. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. The obviously advanced astronomical knowledge must have come from somewhere, but is it an ancient bequest or a modern graft? McDaid, Liam. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. (2004). Furthermore, there had been a I disagree. Temples solution referred to legends of a mythical creature, the god Oannes, who might have been an extraterrestrial, described as descending to Earth from the stars to bring civilising wisdom to the Dogon forefathers. of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. 2000. by Philip Coppens. The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. Sagan, Subscribe to eSkeptic: our free email newsletter and get great podcasts, videos, reviews and articles from Skeptic magazine, announcements, and more in your inbox once or twice a week. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Sirius As Carl Sagan pointed out, when the lines on both maps are removed, the resemblance disappears. We need more reliable evidence -- especially theories that can be tested. (Photo by John and Keturah. Could a remote African people have gained esoteric knowledge about the sky without having telescopes? They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. 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